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Jason Stanley

Your question should be -- why have so many *linguists* been suckered into accepted logical form, with rich covert syntactic structures. Once the point is put in this more adequate manner, it becomes clear you're being more than a little dogmatic.
Those philosophers who do accept rich logical forms do so, because, in taking syntax classes for many years, we've been introduced to the notion of a rich logical form with lots of covert structure (is Richard Larson in a philosophy department? Is Chomsky in a philosophy department? Pesetsky?). Robert May's book on logical form in the 1980's had a big impact on syntax and semantics, and many of us who started doing linguistics then were doing GB, and read that book. Minimalist syntax makes different assumptions than GB, and seeks to explain different evidence. But, if anything, it postulates much more covert structure.
In my experience, it's *philosophers* who are reluctant to buy linguistic arguments for covert structures.

Jason Stanley

Part of the problem has to do with what's meant by "purely syntactic grounds". If what you mean is, on the basis of judgements of grammaticality and ungrammaticality alone, then that is simply an oversimplistic conception of "purely syntactic grounds". For example, we distinguish bound vs. free readings of pronouns not on the grounds of grammaticality, but on the grounds that they give rise to different readings. We appeal to different potentential attachment sites of modifiers as arguments for underlying constituent structures. And so on -- so your post assumes some conception of "purely syntactic grounds" that is overly philosophical in nature.

Tony Marmo

Well, I have tried to discuss this issue in depth, but there is a certain degree of censure in the field of linguistics. Let try to be brief (I know that I cannot talk about all the issues involved):

If you allow me, I would like to point out that the main problem is how to derive the LF of a sentence. Here the term derivation simply means 'the formation of a sentence'. Is LF the endpoint of the syntactic derivation, as Robert May and others propose? Or is it formed in parallel with the Syntactic Structure, as Ray Jackendoff has suggested? Whether one gets a rich LF or a simpler one will depend on how linguists implement such proposals. Which is to say, it depends on what theoretic conditions restrict and shape the format of LF. For instance, given Chomsky's minimalist inclusiveness condition a very rich LF is impossible: the endpoint of the syntactic derivation cannot contain more material than the input.

Nevertheless, in trying to discuss this issue, I have found out that some linguists, especially the dogmatic representationalists, take it as a taboo. They claim that representationalism treats syntactic and semantic structures in parallel, but that is not true. It is not because they assign a representation to a sentence that they provide the right answers.

Representationalism cannot answer the simplest question that matters for syntax: how a sentence is formed. They simplify matters by assuming that in order to make a sentence one just glue things together, but in such a case there is a process of gluing to be explained. Derivationalism, on the other hand, tries to explain how things are glued or assembled.

My guess is that Syntactic Structures and LFs are distinct and manufactured parallely. To construct the Syntactic Structure of a sentence and to construe a sentence involve completely different mechanisms.

But the LF notion generative linguists often refer to is supposed to be just one first 'interpretative' step, semantically speaking. It should not contain all pragmatic details, for instance.

PS: I have posted this discussion in my blog.

marc

Hi Tony-

Thanks. Your post is (of necessity) pretty dense and I don't have anything to add. You indicate that you've tried to discuss this issue, if you have some references please send them along.

Tony Marmo

Thank you very much.

I have the intention to post a draft version of a paper of mine in my blog or in the syntax group, which is a dense piece of work too and which approaches part of the problem from the minimalist perspective. Let me mention that I am not a minimalist. I work with Minimalism in syntax for a matter of choice, and I greatly respect HPSG and Construction Grammar.

Jackendoff's Architecture of Language Faculty is the most important anti-thesis to May's LF from a derivationalist point of view. (Nowadays Jackendoff is flerting with more representational frameworks like HPSG). May in his classic work and Chomsky in the Minimalist Program argue that LF is the invisible output of syntactic derivation. But Chomsky himself admits that the Phonetic Form of the same sentence is built by a parallel phonological derivation. I have reasons to believe that the minimalist model would be more coherent if the LF of a sentence (or Conceptual Structure in Jackendoff's nomenclature) would also be formed by a parallel semantic derivation. There are also some empirical issues that suggest this is the correct direction, such as scope amibuiguities.

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